2. Who is Credence really? She couldn’t control her powers and would occasionally explode with magic, just like Credence. She's probably building up to some sort of luke/vadar moment at the end of the fourth movie. One puzzling question hanging in the air as we wait for the next film is whether Albus knew that Credence/Aurelius was his brother. At the end of the movie, once Credence joins up with Grindelwald (Johnny Depp), Grindelwald tells him that his true name is Aurelius Dumbledore. That's really just the beginning of her tragedies. 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There's so many issues with this movie, I still love it but if it was pushed back 6 months maybe it wouldn't be so flawed. At most he thinks he lost it in the chaos. So yeah, Dumbledore apparently has a brother, and that brother is Credence. I watched it today and my theory is that he is her son. That just leaves Percival and Kendra Dumbledore. Creedance is the son of Albus, who did not know he fathered a son. Perhaps not, and Credence was given away at birth, never talked about to Albus, Aberforth, and Ariana by Kendra. As such, he may have carried his sentence until after the death of his wife and daughter, and gone into self-imposed exile; after that, he may have remarried and had Credence, making Albus his half-brother. SIGH. As far as we know, Albus Dumbledore only has one brother and one sister. But then Grindelwald calls him Albus' brother. (just an opinion though). SO because I’m still Is he Leta's brother? Credence Barebone was born around 1901, allegedly to the Dumbledore family, as Aurelius Dumbledore, according to Gellert Grindelwald.In 1901, Credence was taken by his aunt on a ship heading to America. Creedance is not blood related to Dumbledore, but instead hosts her Obscurus. This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. This is where the theory could go in a few directions. Or is there a theory? The short answer is no - Kendra was killed in June of 1899, and, again, Credence/Aurelius wasn't born until 1901 at the earliest, so it's not possible that Kendra is his mother. I did think for a second too that it could be grindelwalds but the fact that the phoenix shows up made me scrap that idea. ._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1PeZajQI0Wm8P3B45yshR._3axV0unm-cpsxoKWYwKh2x{fill:#ea0027} The Dumbledores originally lived in Mould-on-the-Wold, but moved to Godric's Hollow after Percival Dumbledore was sent to Azkaban for attacking Muggles; he did not inform the authorities that his actions were in retaliation for the Muggles' traumatising attack on his daughter, Ariana. You gave 3 possbilities, but those aren't the only 3. Agreed actually, it seems so obvious considering how grindelwald manipulated evened in the movie, This is what I thought watching the film, but I’ve grown to fancy the idea that Ariana’s obscurity resides in Credence, I keep going back to the idea that Grindelwald believes._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} Granted, both of these explanations are a stretch and trying to make sense of a contrived plot-twist. That would be Credence. I love u/scapetti's theory, as I too have been trying to remind people Credence could be a cousin or some such. Grindelwald may not be intentionally lying, he may be misunderstanding the true reason for the return of the Phoenix. There’s no reason to think Grindelwald is telling the truth yet. Everyone figured it out already. Once Dumbledore and Aberforth headed to … Once there, Grindelwald reveals Credence’s true identity to him: He is Aurelius Dumbledore, Albus Dumbledore’s brother. Or are you just making fun of Aberforth’s affinity with goats??? So what do you think? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the FantasticBeasts community. Is Credence really related to Dumbledore? Either way, I absolutely agree that Rowling is nowhere near as clever as she thinks she is, and whatever she pulls in Fantastic Beasts 3 will probably be too much of a stretch. That’s literally where Fantastic Beasts 2 ends, and you may have some questions. ._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp{margin-bottom:24px;text-transform:uppercase;width:100%}._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp:last-child{margin-bottom:10px} If Credence is Dumbledore’s full blood brother, then the very youngest he could be, according to he established canonical timeline of the Harry Potter universe, is 36 years old. But still possible considering. Aurelius Dumbledore, as Grindelwald names him. Wouldn’t credence have to be much much older? The ship later sank during a storm and Credence was taken by Leta and Irma Dugard to a lifeboat. Therefore, Grindelwald needs someone else powerful enough to defeat Dumbledore. Their lifeboat sailed to safety… I think people get so involved in this fictional world and the dates and everything that they forget this is a story, and stories tend to connect. (There could even be a Time-Turner involved… but let’s please, please not go there.) This likely half-sibling relationship between Leta, who is currently engaged to Newt’s brother Theseus, and Credence introduces new reasons to worry that Credence may wind up siding with Grindelwald. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:bottom}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} So when Grindelwald Aurelius Dumbledore is the lost brother of Albus Dumbledore, revealed by Gellert Grindelwald to Credence Barebone at the end of “Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald”. The dude is obviously lying and he is not his brother. Was Grindelwald telling the truth? If Credence was a consequent of the blood pact, then he could be considered Dumbledore’s flesh and blood and from that perspective, his “brother.” And he would also be Grindelwald’s flesh and blood as well. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. moist popular theory is that arianna's obscurus now resides in credence. Grindlewald tells Credence that phoenixes always appear to a Dumbledore in their time of need, because HE IS DUMBLEDORE’S BROTHER. There is also This doesn't make sense. Now, here’s where things get a bit tricky. At this point, she's set it up to be really cliche. I agree though, the reveal on who Creedance really is, is going to be rather lackluster. This whole theory is based on the what you believe to be true. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. I mean Grindelwald is meant to be around the same age as Albus Dumbledore and he is acting as a Just like Credence from the trauma of his whole life situation. he literally can’t be. Maybe Grindelwald was lying? Leta Lestrange (Zoe Kravitz) confesses in the Lestrange tomb that she 'killed' her brother Corvus. Ehh, I don’t think she’s a sloppy writer, she just shouldn’t write screenplays. What she needs is an editor who will tell her “this may work for a book, but this isn’t gonna fly for a movie”, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the FanTheories community. .c_dVyWK3BXRxSN3ULLJ_t{border-radius:4px 4px 0 0;height:34px;left:0;position:absolute;right:0;top:0}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:start;justify-content:flex-start;margin-top:32px}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3 ._33jgwegeMTJ-FJaaHMeOjV{border-radius:9001px;height:32px;width:32px}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3 ._1wQQNkVR4qNpQCzA19X4B6{height:16px;margin-left:8px;width:200px}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:12px 0}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx ._29TSdL_ZMpyzfQ_bfdcBSc{-ms-flex:1;flex:1}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx .JEV9fXVlt_7DgH-zLepBH{height:18px;width:50px}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx ._3YCOmnWpGeRBW_Psd5WMPR{height:12px;margin-top:4px;width:60px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN{height:18px;margin-bottom:4px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._2E9u5XvlGwlpnzki78vasG{width:230px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN.fDElwzn43eJToKzSCkejE{width:100%}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._2kNB7LAYYqYdyS85f8pqfi{width:250px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._1XmngqAPKZO_1lDBwcQrR7{width:120px}._3XbVvl-zJDbcDeEdSgxV4_{border-radius:4px;height:32px;margin-top:16px;width:100%}._2hgXdc8jVQaXYAXvnqEyED{animation:_3XkHjK4wMgxtjzC1TvoXrb 1.5s ease infinite;background:linear-gradient(90deg,var(--newCommunityTheme-field),var(--newCommunityTheme-inactive),var(--newCommunityTheme-field));background-size:200%}._1KWSZXqSM_BLhBzkPyJFGR{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBackgroundColor);border-radius:4px;padding:12px;position:relative;width:auto} Which means that it doesn't seem possible is Credence/Aurelius is Dumbledore's brother. Also, people thought Credence was born in 1904 due to an adoption paper, but no one knew when Credence was born as he was swapped. ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} Anyway, for the sake of the series and the fandom I hope the Credence is Dumbledore thing if just Grindelwald bulshit. Creedance is just a random child with an Obscurus, and Grindelwald needed something more powerful than himself and Albus to try to defeat him. Simply, apparently no. .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} Credence was 18 years old in the first movie set in 1926, so he was born around 1908, and Dumbledore is 45 years old in The Crimes of Grindelwald, set in 1927. I thought that was obvious enough at the end. We've also never heard of another Dumbledore sibling until now, which is weird when you consider that someone, somewhere, with all the wizarding powers in the world, could have sleuthed that skeleton out of the world renown Dumbledore family closet. Guess what? I made a thread weeks ago about my theory that he was dumbledores son, first time I've seen someone else mention it, personally I'm convinced this is the way it will go...and maybe Dumbledore was possibly on the boat that night. He is not dead, as a wisp of his Obscurial apparently survived. The big secret that Rowling has been sitting on for all these years, Ariana is an Obscurial. It's just too important, you'll see. I know I’m missing something... Dumbledore once sent Harry Potter the Phoenix when Harry was in trouble. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} So for Kendra, we have a very short time frame. I will be really disappointed otherwise. This going to be straight and to the point. It makes sense. I also seriously doubt Kendra could have gotten pregnant in time with locals like Bathilda Bagshot noticing; surely this tidbit would have been included in Rita Skeeter's scathing biography of Albus. Okay, but then, does he just pull the name Aurelius out of his ass? Grindelwald cannot possibly know that the pact-vial was given to Albus. Can someone explain how credence can be Dumbledore’s brother?? I believe that, if this is the case, Kendra must have had an affair and given birth to Credence; while Albus and Aberforth were away at school, Ariana was the only one around to discover the secret, and without her brothers around to calm her, she killed her mother by accident. Credence is a Dumbledore, and his name is Aurelius. ETA: Assuming Grindelwald isn't flat-out lying. The ship's voyage was in 1901 and so the wiki is now saying that is probably when he was born. Plotholes across the board, but mostly he's gay. Grindelwald lied to him by saying Dumbledore is his brother and that he seeks to destroy him, to get Credence to seek revenge against him and kill him. As for Percival, well, we don't exactly know the year in which he died, nor if his sentence was permanent. That means either he knows Albus had a brother by the name of Aurelius or he just made the whole thing up. The escape goat part killed me. If he really is telling the truth, it’s likely to be confirmed in later movies, but for now it’s early to think Credence is actually Dumbledore’s long-lost brother - he still might And the timeline is strange. Dumbledore’s obituary mentioned only a brother and a sister. But the wikis suggest their friendship only lasted a couple of months... which doesn't seem right at all... so I don't think she died in 1899 as people think and I think people are confused as to when that duel actually happened. Credence's earliest year of birth (as listed on the wiki) is 1899, and Kendra was killed in the summer of that same year. Let's break it down. I mean Grindelwald is meant to be around the same age as Albus Dumbledore and he is acting as a father figure to Credence. SIGH, From the Harry Potter wiki - “At the age of six, Ariana was attacked by Muggle boys who saw her practising magic, which left her traumatised to the point of rendering her magical abilities uncontrollable.”, Also: “During a fit when she was fourteen years old, Ariana caused a magical explosion that killed her mother.”. Do you agree with me that Credence is the son of Percival Dumbledore? In the film, it is said that Grindelwald and Dumbledore cannot fight each other because of their blood pact. In Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindlewald, it's theoretically possible that Gellert Grindelwald lied to Credence Barebone about being Aurelius Dumbledore. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/ReredditLink.f7b66a91705891e84a09.css.map*/ Credence is his brother only because the Phoenix showed up for Credence. Ok, so he does say brother, but another theory is Credence is Ariana's son. The proof, he says, is in the phoenix chick who came to Credence in his hour of … ._9ZuQyDXhFth1qKJF4KNm8{padding:12px 12px 40px}._2iNJX36LR2tMHx_unzEkVM,._1JmnMJclrTwTPpAip5U_Hm{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);margin-bottom:40px;padding-top:4px}._306gA2lxjCHX44ssikUp3O{margin-bottom:32px}._1Omf6afKRpv3RKNCWjIyJ4{font-size:18px;font-weight:500;line-height:22px;border-bottom:2px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line);color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);margin-bottom:8px;padding-bottom:8px}._2Ss7VGMX-UPKt9NhFRtgTz{margin-bottom:24px}._3vWu4F9B4X4Yc-Gm86-FMP{border-bottom:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line);margin-bottom:8px;padding-bottom:2px}._3vWu4F9B4X4Yc-Gm86-FMP:last-of-type{border-bottom-width:0}._2qAEe8HGjtHsuKsHqNCa9u{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);padding-bottom:8px;padding-top:8px}.c5RWd-O3CYE-XSLdTyjtI{padding:8px 0}._3whORKuQps-WQpSceAyHuF{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon);margin-bottom:8px}._1Qk-ka6_CJz1fU3OUfeznu{margin-bottom:8px}._3ds8Wk2l32hr3hLddQshhG{font-weight:500}._1h0r6vtgOzgWtu-GNBO6Yb,._3ds8Wk2l32hr3hLddQshhG{font-size:12px;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1h0r6vtgOzgWtu-GNBO6Yb{font-weight:400}.horIoLCod23xkzt7MmTpC{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:#ea0027}._33Iw1wpNZ-uhC05tWsB9xi{margin-top:24px}._2M7LQbQxH40ingJ9h9RslL{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon);margin-bottom:8px} .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} SIGH From the Harry Potter wiki - “At the age of six, Ariana was attacked by Muggle boys who saw her practising magic, which left her traumatised to the point of rendering her magical abilities uncontrollable.” Just my opinion that I HOPE is wrong for the sake of the Harry Potter universe. They don't just casually mention Dumbledore's sister's death while also talking about how close Grindelwald and Dumbledore are if they're not going to explore that duel that separated them and what happened. First, as a Lestrange it’s ._3Im6OD67aKo33nql4FpSp_{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBorderColor);border-radius:5px 5px 4px 4px;overflow:visible;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);padding:12px}.lnK0-OzG7nLFydTWuXGcY{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;padding-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-navIcon)} Fantastic Beasts Theory: Credence ISN'T A [SPOILER] In Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald, Gellert Grindelwald could actually be lying to Credence Barebone about his supposed true identity. I could see this being true if he just told Credence he is a Dumbledore, but he told him he's Aurelius Dumbledore. Is Credence really Albus Dumbledore’s brother? This would also explain why Grindelwald knows Credence is a Dumbledore and honestly I think this whole thing is very likely to be what that whole three way duel was about. 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His brother, Aberforth, appears in Harry Potter and the … OK this had me laughing for a while. If Credence is Dumbledore's maternal half-brother, the youngest he could be is 28.) Later in the film, Leta corrects everyone's assumption that Credence is her younger half-brother Corvus by revealing that he died during a trip to America with the family midwife. ._33axOHPa8DzNnTmwzen-wO{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%}.isNotInButtons2020 ._33axOHPa8DzNnTmwzen-wO{font-size:14px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:32px;text-transform:uppercase} However, Aurelius is an entirely new Dumbledore, and it’s hard to imagine how on earth he could even be distantly He has no clue that he will try to (and inevitably) break the pact. percival was sent to azkaban where he then died in 1890, kendra died in 1889 and credence wasn’t born until 1901. From looking on various wikis there is this suggestion that Ariana died during a fight with Albus and Grindelwald and that they stopped being friends soon after. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! But Dumbledore’s mother Kendra died in an “explosion” in the summer of 1899 when her daughter, Ariana, lost control of her magic . Credence is a Dumbledore. Also, Dumbledore brought up Ariana's death in this Crimes of Grindelwald film... so like... yeah, it'll play out in the sequel and everything will come together. You had so many chances to spell Credence right . Press J to jump to the feed. I dunno, maybe Rowling will try to introduce some contrived explanation to make Credence Ariana's son somehow - maybe make her an Obscurial, with him being a part of her that broke off (although wouldn't that make him some kind of Horcrux? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. 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